This secret appeared on Postsecret.com about a month ago:

When I saw it, I started imagining how I would hope to work with this client, if she came into a first therapy session, sat down in the IKEA Poang Chair opposite mine, and began our work with this line. This, of course, would never happen… For one, people are not usually so existentially aware, and for two, this is not the type of dilemma people usually come in to therapy to explore. A church pastor is much more likely to hear these words.
Half of my graduate classes I spent with pastors-in-training. My school believed that clergy and counselors make good teammates. So, I emailed my new pastor friend David (who I introduced in my last post), and asked if he would write a response from a pastoral perspective: How would he respond to this woman if she walked into his office and said she was afraid to love God more?
We both super duper love feedback. I’m especially curious about where you see conflict between this pastor and this therapist, and what you might do with that conflict if you were the person in the middle (ie, the woman consulting both of us). Ahem, blog lurkers who never comment.
Pastoral Response, by David Young:
When someone walks into my office seeking pastoral counsel, especially regarding a concern as deeply existential and theological as this one, my first task is to listen. My second task is to ask questions and then listen some more. `What is going on in your life that is causing you to wrestle with this question now? What do you think God is going to ask you to do? Has God (or someone who claimed to be speaking for God) told you to do something before that you now regret? What have other “loving” relationships in your life been like? And have they often been characterized by the other person in the relationship telling you what to do? What do you think it means to love? To love God?`
I probably wouldn’t ask the questions in just this way and the answers given to these would in turn give rise to a whole host of other unforeseeable questions. This is simply the unpredictable nature of counseling. It is the messy, chaotic, irreducible mystery that is personhood. Nevertheless, these are the kinds of questions which would shed first light into the great unknown that is the person sitting across from me. But really this light is not so much for me as for the person herself. In fact, my goal in asking such questions is not to keep mining until I finally unearth the answer to all her problems. It is simply to focus the light in places she might not have considered looking in order to find the answer to her own question. The real challenge for any counselor isn’t so much providing the right answers as it is asking good questions.
Since postcards are notoriously stubborn in their refusal to answer such questions, the best I can do here is provide a basic outline of how my own theological convictions would inform my response to this woman and her self-proclaimed fear to love God more. Or perhaps in more humble terms, what I am really doing is making a confession. Without knowing any more of this woman’s story, what I am really left to do is confess my own story, my own biases, and the life experiences out of which I have little choice but to respond.
The first element of this confession must be that I have personally known this woman’s fear. It was the summer between my junior and senior year of high school when I first felt that God was calling me to do things I did not want to do and go places I did not want to go. It was then that I first sensed that God was calling me to be a pastor. I can’t recount that whole story here but the fact that I would not accept this call on my life for another year and a half should suffice to show that it wasn’t something I was initially giddy about.
Even the picture on this postcard reminds me of my own story. I’m quite certain that the city outlined in the background of this picture is not Boston. Nevertheless, that view of the city skyline across the water reminds me of the view from Wollaston Beach which included the outline of Boston across Quincy Bay, just a few blocks from where I went to college, the place where just a month after arriving I would accept God’s call on my life. The acceptance of this call would eventually lead me half way across the country, tearing my wife away from her family and putting twenty hours of driving between them where there had previously been only one. Next, it would take us to a small town in the Midwest, culturally unlike any place I had ever lived. It is an understatement to say that I have done things I never would have chosen to do and gone places I never intended to go because of my love for God.
So some of the words this postcard evokes from me are “Good! At least you recognize the costs!” It is a prevalent myth of our culture that love shouldn’t cost us anything; that it should be easy, natural, pure, un-interrupted orgasmic bliss and if whatever we have stops being those things then we can be sure that it isn’t love. But nothing could be farther from the truth. Real love can be frightening because it demands that we be vulnerable and trusting if we are to enter its realm. Loving God isn’t so different.
But the other words this postcard evokes from me are “Now that you recognize what loving God costs you, consider what loving you costs God.” This is what sets loving God apart from every other relationship. Whereas we never know to what extent our vulnerability and trust will be reciprocated in most relationships, God is the one who has shown us that the real nature of love is trust and vulnerability. God became vulnerable in Jesus Christ; vulnerable to the point of death. God remains vulnerable every time the Spirit invites us into greater intimacy with the Father.
I don’t take back anything I said above. It has been 13 years since I first wondered if God was calling me into ordained ministry and there have been some trying times. There continue to be times even now where I have some fear about where God might be leading my family and I. The costs of real love can indeed be frightening. But I also know that God’s leading can always be denied. It has always been my choice to follow because God’s calling is always just that; a beckoning and nothing more. It is not pulling or shoving; not so much telling as asking. It is never a show of force; always a passionate but resistible and therefore vulnerable invitation to more intimacy and trust. So the second element of my confession is that God is a patient and gentle lover.
As I look back over the course of my life I marvel at where God has brought me. I see a wife whose affection I could never possibly deserve, two brilliant and beautiful children, a house that has become our home, and a church family whose care for us can only be described as extraordinary. I look at myself and see a once shy and socially awkward kid who now makes a living by welcoming strangers, visiting the hurting, and speaking publicly. I often wonder what I could have done to deserve all this. The answer is, of course, nothing. I know that the path that brought me here has more to do with trust than it does hard work or good decisions.
It is for this reason that, even as I want to fully acknowledge all the reality and pain of this woman’s fear, I am also filled with hope for her. I am hopeful because she has already been brave and bold enough to name a fear that many would not. I am hopeful because despite her fear she has not given up on speaking of God. I am hopeful because she has experienced at least enough of God to recognize that God loves her too much to simply let her be. But most of all I am hopeful because I know personally what God can do with someone as honest and bold as her.
Therapeutic Response, by Christine Marietta:
Tell me your stories. Tell me about that other time someone forced, or compelled, or sweet-talked, or scolded you into doing something that you didn’t want to do.
“What you fear most has already happened,” writes Annie Rogers. Your fear that God will compel you to cross your own boundaries— no, not God, but that your love for God would make you to say “Yes” when you mean “No,” must have a history. This dreadful, nauseating violation of yourself has already happened in your past. Maybe you loved your parents, or uncles or aunts, teachers, or friends who ultimately required you to choose between your love and your self. In order to make sense of your fear of loving God, we must look at what your Love of others has brought you in the past.
Even as I ask you to tell me these stories in which your “No,” has been brushed aside, I’m aware that you might say “No” to me. I have not yet earned the honor of your stories, so even as I ask for them, I hope you will say no. In our first meeting, you’ve already put me in a bind— I can easily compel you to violate yourself. I wonder if this is how God might feel in relationship with you—- maybe God wants to ask, but God knows that God can’t trust your “Yes.” Maybe God, like me, prefers your “No.” I can work with my own disappointment at your refusal, but I can’t stomach watching you violate yourself in my presence. And so I am afraid to ask, even though, as your therapist, I want to ask.
The gospel message, as it’s (mis)represented from many pulpits, fits with the cultural mandate that women ignore their intuition, that we swallow our “no” as if we are trying to hold down vomit. We are told to “die to our self,” to “follow God,” and “say yes to God.” When we do manage to speak our “No,” we usually learn that this “No” falls under the category of sin, and it is to be assaulted and fixed rather than heeded.
Here’s the thing about our therapeutic relationship, which is true of all relationship: Your “yes” means nothing if you can’t have a “no.” Your willingness to divulge your heart to me might be a good and beautiful thing, but only if that “yes” comes from your heart, your stomach, your solar plexus, if it vibrates through your body, if you have a physical sense of wanting to move towards me. You will know when your yes means Yes.
As I ask for your stories, you may be caught somewhere between yes and no. You may wish you could trust me more, but you don’t yet. You may sense that I am kind and safe and fierce, but maybe in your past harm has worn a mask of kindness, so you don’t trust kindness. Yes and No often exist together, it’s what we call ambivalence.
I want your ambivalence. I want both the Yes and the No. I do not want you to dive into answering my question, hoping your “Yes” sustains you enough to ignore your churning stomach. I want the No, too. I want all of you in the room with me.
“Let your Yes be Yes, and your No be No,” says our Lord. I think he wasn’t kidding. God may ask, but God has also made it clear that, like your therapist, God wants both your honest yes and your honest no. In the end, Love may stir a resounding Yes within you, but Love cannot grow until you bring your full self— the Yes and the No— into God’s presence. But if you can’t do that with God yet, perhaps you can start here with me.